Douglas Barnes
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Thanks guys!
Damn Doug, I’m considering running to the store to buy some chocolate and tangerines.
Dave, don’t forget the rum!!! 😉
The Captain is on the counter!
Excellent! Get him nice and hot before adding the flame….. 😀
Ennnnnnjoy!
Thanks guys!
Damn Doug, I’m considering running to the store to buy some chocolate and tangerines.
Dave, don’t forget the rum!!! 😉
Without getting into the popular argument of lake-run steel versus sea-run steel, the sea-run steelhead I have caught in the Pac NW are extremely tasty. I fish a river that is open a very limited time of the year, and only hatchery steelhead may be retained, but their retention is mandatory up to a limit of 4 per day – in other words, according to the rules, if you catch a fin-clipped fish, you are obligated to keep it or face a fine. These fish come from the ocean and are bright and fresh when caught in the river.
That being said, I would not order “Steelhead Salmon” in a restaurant without being able to see the fish before hand and knowing its provenance.
Todd I’m glad you posted this ’cause that was exactly the case here. Twas my first ever steelhead, caught last October on the Deschutes during a three day-two night trip I was shooting for the outfitter http://www.riverborneoutfitters.com/. (Swung her w/ a spey rod & floating line no less. The guide was prolly more stoked than me..=) Anyhoo, he claimed that as a hatchery fish we had to harvest and suggested enjoying her for dinner that evening. Who were we to say no? She was followed by some tasty chocolate and tangerine smores flambé, then great conversation under the stars. Good stuff all around!
Hi Brian, this can be very frustrating! Please post a few samples here of what you’re talking about, otherwise it’ll be hard to discern what issues are causing the problem.
Cheers,
db
Hi Eric,
Sorry I didn’t see this until this morning. Crazy busy. (You guys, my fellow IA brethren, can call or e-mail me personally any time for this stuff- BTW) Looks like you landed the gig, awesome!
Regarding negotiations, I use ‘f’quote on a regular basis but it’s usually for published work, ie; magazines, billboards, bus boards, etc. with a printed ‘timeline’ so they have to buy ad space themselves. This process alone gets them acquainted with ‘usage’ early on so they expect to negotiate such term. And f-quote is great for this. Plus, the images that come from these jobs are often “re-sellable”, a very important point to consider.
However, clients like builders and architects, small businesses (read: local), models, actors, whatever, are simply looking for something to put in their portfolio or on their web-site and/or don’t have a large budget, and/or the images are essentially only useful to them (see below). Pulling out an f-quote number can completely put you out of the running in these cases. This is when I try to ask the question, (after hearing as many project details as possible),…”what’s your budget?” If they’re willing to tell you, and it’s close to the number in your brain, then you’re golden! If it’s a little low then show the value of your work vs the other guy, and maybe use the length or time period of usage rights terms as a bargaining chip to narrow it down or sell them up. If they’re way low, then you don’t want the job anyway. Right? And f-quote numbers wont help anyhoo.
In your example Eric, I would have suggested some semblance of a ‘day rate’ or two, and after getting the job, shoot the hell outta the development. Get crazy and creative. Then gave them the CHOICE of their favorite, say 10 shots, per day, from a pool of 25-30 shots total. Perhaps tell them they have 1-5yrs ‘unlimited-exclusive’ usage for web etc, with NO third party usage (I can’t sell them to anyone else [as if anyone else wants to buy a picture of their buildings, ha, ha], and they can’t sell them to their vendors or subcontractors [which happens a lot]). My terms and conditions on every estimate/invoice state this front and center, right below the job description. If their subs want shots, then they pay for them after the fact and the client and I share the profit (usually try to I give them credit for their next project so they’re compelled to book me again…win, win!) My T & C’s also read that I always own the copyright, and that I may use my images for my web site & self promotion without permission despite the ‘exclusive’ wordage. Yes, clients sometimes ask me to hold off on that if there is proprietary info involved etc, but those folks usually have the money to pay for such an accommodation, or we have a relationship built where it’s not an issue (and I want future work from said client).
Hope this helps (and makes any sense, only 1/2 cup of joe when I started, on my third now). Contact me directly moving forward and we can chat, happy to do it!
db
With all due respect, I do not agree with the concept of “yielding the hole”. Often when I head out on a trip, I am thinking of one particular spot or maybe even one particular fish. I am also willing to get up in the middle of the night, freeze my ass off, forego coffee and breakfast, and even sleep in my car to get to that spot. So please forgive me if I am an hour into fishing the hole I busted ass to get to and I am not quite ready to yield the hole to someone who had a shower and a nice breakfast that morning, and has moved in on me from upstream just as the fish are looking up…
Likewise, if I see an angler steadfastly working a hole, I’ll get out of the water, walk around as slowly and quietly as I can, and try to ask or maybe signal in some way to them to see if they mind if I work below them. I would never stand around and expect an angler to yield a hole or run to me. He has his position for as long as he likes. I will head downstream a good distance and then work in well below them…
YMMV,
^^^^^^^^ +1
It’s not golf.
If a person is in a great run, it’s up to THEM when to move on. Get up a little earlier if you want your choice spot.
Corey, it sounds like you need to do a road trip with Douglas…
He’s always invited on my road trips! 😉
Indeed! Thanks again. Sorry I couldn’t make this one. Next time…. 🙂
Great stuff guys! The only thing missing is my mug in that motley crew, ha ha. Looks like a great time and I’m bummed I couldn’t make it. db
Mike, So sorry to hear about your nightmare. Hopefully time will help it fade to distant memory and all wounds are healed. You’re in our thoughts and prayers.
Serious color Frank! Beautiful! The northern lights are way high up on my must do list. How long an exposure were those night shots?
Great stuff Mr K! That fish looks like a conehead, ha ha.
Your dad rockin’ the Willy J’s
>Excellent!Geez how did I miss this? Looks like an excellent trip Neal. Great pics too! I really like the shot of the guide w/fly in mouth!
