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You guys do have some stragne stuff over there alright!!!
We only have a couple of bats… like mice with wings… only seen a couple in my lifetime.
until the maori arrived here it was the only mammal. they brought polynesian rats (Kiore) and a polynesian dog (Kuri)… the europeans brought all the other mammals we now have.
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Yep it is… lethal little thing it is too….
You can judge a man by the size of things which annoy him.
Sorry guys, on that river it’s a tactic unlikely to work, unless the sea-runs are in.
The trials and tribulations of the Wainui-o-mata are well known..
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The using something different is solid advice… It’s almost a mantra with me also… On that stream you have some big fish and 6X is fine if you plan on killing the fish, but if you want to release it you’ll kill it fighting it.
Your rod won’t make a difference if you are using a #4 line.
If the fish is active and then ceases activity on your first presentation then chances are it’s micro drag, leader shine or rigidity (12″ tippets will do that to most leader mateirals) or something of the like. Fly Pattern would be well down the list but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t hedge your bets with a “different” fly pattern. Are you familiar with Bob Wyatt’s DHE Emerger… it would possibly be my first pic of flies if
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The Wainui browns can shut down at times and yes they do get pressured. But it isn’t fly pattern that will dicate their responses. It’s more presentation… I’d be using a 14′ leader or so and I wouldn’t taper to 6X on that water, the fish are simply too big .. I would go to 5X and #18 flies, probably a CDC for that style of water. Also, endevor to make your cast so the fish doe not see the fly alight but so it justs drifts neturally into their field of view on the current.
I fished the Wainui a lot 25 years ago and it has more pressure now, but the fish are catchable.
Jim Greeks used to be very successful by finishing his rods in matt colours and wearing almost full camo. If the fish are virtually inert and not seen to feed on anythng then give up… they’ve probably seen you already. Look at an even more stealthy approach from below, staying out of the water and keeping even your cast low. Be careful not to make any heavy footfalls.
However, many of those fish are virtually nocturnal, the easiest defense mechanism they have developed against the constant presuure is to feed after dark. For that reason we used to target them in the twilight and after dark with #16CDC Elk Hairs.
They are some of the toughest fish in the country, but they are not impossible, but take your focus off the fly and concentrate on stealthier approaches and presentations. Leader length with a minimum of five feet of tippet is crucial in my opinon.
Any line heavier than a #5 will be a waste of time too. A solid #4 with backbone would be even better.
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Daryl… is this for fishing in the Wairarapa?
You can judge a man by the size of things which annoy him.
From the guides perspective I’d offer guiding is the only profession I can think of where you look at your worst when working your hardest and at your best when at doing your least…
Hot Fishing = Easy job
Hard Fishing = You wish you were picking up trash…. ;DYou can judge a man by the size of things which annoy him.
If it’s any consolation we were paying $7.75 per gallon recently… we are now grateful it has dropped back to $5.80 a gallon.
The exchange rate isn’t a factor as a dollar earned is a dollar spent and exchanges really only count when the money is moved… I guess that’s why we have so few V8’s here! 😮
You can judge a man by the size of things which annoy him.
Makos have been on my “to do” list for some time and last year we had them in plague proportions around here… Our problem was finding one of a size we were prepared to cast at from my little boat (18ft ocean skiff). The biggest was at least 2.5 – 3 meters and the smallest about 2 meters…
This summer we’re on the lookout for something in the 50 – 100lb range.
This one we didn’t bother with….
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renzetti what crap ,have to use a rubber band for it to work not enough room for tailling i have a dyna king thats 20yrs old thats 10 times better than a renny i don’t understand the renny hype . ihave no need for a rotary vice.
Well Bill you don’t hold back ;D
but to say they’re crap is a bit OTT in my opinion. As a commercial tier of 30 plus years experience I rate my traveller as among the best vices I have tied with. I have full need for rotary, but didn’t know it until I had it.
I absolutely rate them. Having said that the Dyna Kings are nice Vices, I still love my old Regal (For freshwater patterns) and ultimately it’s about horses for courses.
I’d recommend to anyone, before committing to a new vice to try and get together with a Tying club or the like and tie on a variety and then buy the one you like. As this whole thread indicates , once narrowed down to the premium products it becomes what your personally favor.
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I have had a play with the “goodies” and there’s some awesome stuff….
But I’ll shut up because I am so keen to hear the podcasts… they are my favorite background when tying….
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Scott has nailed it… 20% fishing knowledge, 80% people skills is my opinion.
I guided in NZ, 99% US Anglers for 26 years… yes you can burn out. 120-140 days pers summer season (oviously creeping into spring and fall as well) for a lot of that time.
Did I get burned out? Yes I did. I retired in May ’08… only from guiding, I still needed a job….
My “outlet” was discovering saltwater fly… My trout streams didn’t have the appeal anymore. But the salt stuff really got me going. I guided two seasons on that and decided my salt stuff was just for me.
After a winter of little fishing (but an obscene amount of pheasant hunting) I am keen to hit the salt again, but even more keen to hit my trout streams again.
I doubt it can completely burn you out. If the amount I did doesn’t do it, then I doubt it can be done.
You’ll get 5 clients, out of 50, a season that really pee you off… but they shouldn’t be the ones you dwell on. People that don’t want to be happy are unlikely to be made so by anything you do… but that old guy who can’t fish without you… the kid that just nailed his first stalked, spotted and dryflied fish… mate, they go a long, long way to making it a brilliant way to make a living.
It becomes a job, like anything, but I always used to remind myself that somewhere in the world is a guy whose job it is to clean sewers with a toothbrush… how bad can it be?
Just when that guy thinks it’s bad, he meets a guy with the same job… but he has to use his own toothbrush…
Guiding is very close to fihsing, and as Scott says, you know so many of those captures are actually yours…
Live it, love it… fish it… just keep your eye on what is important and it will do you no harm. I only got burned because I forgot how good I had it! ;D
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Kenya and other african countries were the traditional source for a lot of UK tying companies.
Umpqua main soruce is sri lanka, Rainys I think sources a lot from thailand.all about 1 thing low cost labor. But as has been pointed out flytying is a pays better than average wages. I looked at some figures recently and average hourly wage in sri lanka 27 US cents an hour, but that was before a national wage rise of around 30%
Rainey’s have their own factory in Chiang Mai not far from the main “Thai-a-Fly” factory which is Umpqua’s supplier. Dennis Black (Umpqua Founder and still owner of Thai-a-Fly” is good friends with Rainy Riding.
Dennis believes the flies out of his Srui Lankan factories are his best quality but I am sure the Chiang Mai factories still do most of the production… Will try and find those photos now…
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Depends on whether it was an expose or not. I honestly don’t think the fly fishing companies have anything to hide.
Zach
Zach, It depends which companies and factories. I have been an Umpqua Signature Tier for ten years and 16 years ago I visited their tying factory in Chiang Mai Thailand to over see the production of the first series of New Zealand they put onto our market.
At the time the whole shebang was owned by Dennis Black the Umpqua Founder. He has since sold Umpqua in the US but still owns the factories of which there are several in Thailand and Sri Lanka.
The staff are treated amazingly… the factories are air conditioned, they have regular breaks and are treated well with health care and education plans as well as even in house financing on vehicles such as the motor scooters so popular in Asia. Their wages are roughly double that of the average labouring wage in the same city. Having a family member getting a job in one of Dennis’s Factories is like winning the lottery for many of these people. He also flies in the some of the world’s leading tiers to oversee production of their flies and to teach the tiers how to produce these patterns faithfully.
However, the African factories are not always so generous. The flies out of Africa tend to be of much lower quality, the working conditions much worse due to the low cost of the flies (Sometimes sold out to the tune of $2.00 – $3.00 per dozen… by the time taxes, profits and materials are paid you can imagine what the tier gets if the owner is making his money and we know he is…. I have been spammed by the African factories before and purchased some samples. Some of these factories even claimed to be involved with Umpqua in their e-mails (Something i knew was BS at the time but I wanted to see their product). While the flies were nicely tied they were not tied for durability and I had several of the hooks (Claimed to be Tiemco, clearly not, and actually impossible for them to be at the price, also Tiemco struggles to keep Umpqua in hooks, I doubt the Kenyan factories are seeing any of their hooks at all.) straighten out on our big NZ fish.
Like any industry world wide there are rat bags in this game. In Thailand these days there are several companies that tie gorgeous flies such as Umpqua, Kingdom Flies (Owned by Dennis’s son Craig) and others who supply some of the big names and more reputable outfitters… then there are the rat bags tying on crap with crap materials, treating staff like sweat shop labour and still making money… anglers should think about the “service” they are doing the next time they buy their 12 flies for $10.00 deal on the net… harsh to say but the truth is… they are part of the problem too and the fastest way to stopping the exploitation of these people is to stop buying the flies that are sold at prices which are clearly ridiculous. At the time you press hte
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Nice people…. ::)
I don’t but anything at my door and we have even cancelled out land-line phone because all we were getting was spam calls..
and here was me thinking you cancelled shortly after the last time I called…. ;D
You coming over to the big river this year?
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I wonder if Deans likes the stuff ?
Must ask him next time I go see the Wallabies !! ;D
(For my American friends, Deans WAS the coach of the mighty All Blacks, the New Zealand rugby team, but he has been poached by the Australians to coach our team)
Umm we just felt you guys needed all the help you could get
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