Mark Landerman
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Hey, it was the least I could do. Thanks for the place to crash. Hopefully I make back up that way before summer ends…………….it was pretty good.
If not, same time next year!
South Fork of the Snake River, Madison, Henry’s Fork of the Snake River, Snake River (Jackson),The Green River, Big Horn River, Wind River, Big Hole, Beaverhead, Jefferson for starters……..
The TU chapter was taking donations, but nothing was said specifically about raising money. However, this is a post that was made by Whitefish Ed (Yes, he is a bit crazy, but don’t let him fool you) that may explain things a bit better.
ok gents..as they say in the ice cream cone department..here’s the scoop. gonna try my best to do a readers digest version…
back in 06, i heard a presentation by the park’s fishieries biologist who talked about the problem at a seminar i attended. i was surprised how long it was going on, but little was being done to fix it cuz of lack of money. after the presentation, i asked him if anyone was helping raise funds. he said nobody ever approached him before. we blabbed a bit more..he set me up to meet the biologist in charge of the lake trout control, then followed up thru emails when i returned home.
when i got back to boise, i went to work and formed a non profit…cuttsinc.org (now dissolved). got the org going, built a website and got it up and running on the net. i had to do this stuff to prove to them that i meant busiiness and wasnt the flake i come across as otherwise. during this time the lake biologist kept educating me on the entire lake ecosystem including the pelican creek gig, and other things like tribs being cutoff from the lake due to drought times. but still…the lakers were the major problem. we set an initial goal of around 250k for needed research and equipment.
when i had my ducks in a row, the lake biologist set me up to meet the park’s chief biologist. drove over to bozeman that october and had a four and a half hour meeting with him. we reviewed the stratedgy, and got them to believe the lakers could indeed be erradicated if enuf bucks were tossed at doing so. he liked what he saw and took it to the park super..who also approved it.
now the catch..and failure. a lotta of us fly fish types always wondered why funds were being raised for other park fishieries projects, but not the lake. where was the yellowstone park foundation? i was also asked by others during my stint…where was tu? i had no answers for them.
now i have answers. if one makes a donation directly to yellowstone for a specific purpose, it goes into the federal general fund instead and not the park. for donations to go directly to the park..ones gotta go thru their foundation. the park people took my proposal to the foundation to set up an account and they refused. the ynpf dictates to the park what they will and will not support which is just the total opposite of their function according to irs law. foundations are supposed to work at the behest of the park..but not the ynpf..just the opposite. this sucky attitude puts the park people between a rock and a hard place. they dont want to bite the hand that feeds them in other areas of raising funds..cuz the ynpf has raised tons of millions over the years for other non fishing park stuff. quite the predicament huh?
i was told that the foundation would not set up a lake restoration account cuz their stance was to let nature take its course with the lakers. kinda hypocritical when considering other fisheries projects that killed critters isnt it? thus when i asked the biologist that their stance was to let the cancer kill an entire ecosystem instead of killing the cancer..he confirmed this. do yous guys smell a dead fish now??
at the following year’s yellowstone river opener..a lotta my buds asked for a status report. told them just what i wrote here. one of my buds went back to his tu chapter in cody and told what had come down. pissed off a lotta people..so the cody tu chapter knew some people at montana state who the lake biologist also knew and they got together to raise some bucks for the research side of laker liquidation..legally bypassing the ynp foundation. however, money for equiment needs is still lacking cuz these bucks have to go thru the foundation for the park to buy the equipment. i was also told that tu national was worthless in helping cody’s efforts. all they wanted was a cut of collections and cody told them to take a hike.
i will be happy to answer other questions if i can. thanks for taking the time to read all of this….
I didn’t take the photos………..just passed them on to others. So Mike Anderson, the reason I posted the information here is so that folks all over the fishing world knows what a low class operation TVL is…………and I would hope that if anyone every wanted to get a guide from the SE Idaho area, they would never think of booking a trip with these guys.
I will bash………I will bash away. I am sure that you could share several personal experiences you have had with this group of outfitters. What bothers me is their blatant disregard for the resources and completely untrue reports.
You just got back from the Big Horn and had a great two days, right? Did you get anywhere near 211 fish/day?
B.S. I am glad that they finally got caught but I don’t think that the penalty will fit the crime.
Thanks Zach and Kurt … Mark – Webe. 🙂
Man, I remember some good days with my dad up on that river.
Sip poured.
You did great. I am still hot over this and it just strengthens the bad taste that this operation has left in my mouth.
Bamboo is only good for staking tomatoes………….and our eyes are pretty good at recognizing cutt-bows. I certainly hope that Mr. Glissmeyer will turn in a few fish this year and get one of those big rewards!
The pale color on this Westslope Cuttie, indicates it has been in the reservoir, and a recent arrival to the stream.
Or it indicates that it is a cutt-bow.
(look at the white tips on the pelvic and anal fins)
😉I know a sweet little carp pond out in Sandy……………in case you need something to do when you are down there.
OK, Tim. Â I’ll bite. Â What’s an NF Special? Â When I googled it, I got a bunch of stuff on Newfoundland and National Forests. Â
Tim Wade’s North Fork Special. He is coming out with some new colors this year, but black and tan seem to be the best producers.
