The New Rio Carp
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Maybe they are just a company who is very aware of the many directions the market is heading.
My point was not that it’s a bad line, and I totally agree that it’s smart of Rio to market this line when carp fishing is becoming more and more popular.
K2 – Ja, there is an issue of too much info, but progress is what drives ingenuity.
I have always believe that Rio is not quite up to the standard of the other line producers, as much as AirFlow tended to produce a decent line on occasion. However, my first experience with AirFlow was a spring creek on my Scott G, which didn’t work, I stuck a SciAngler XPS on it and it sprung to life.
I had a Cortland on my Sage XP and it didn’t cut it, stuck a GPX on it and it sung, changed that to a Expert Distance and cast it miles, now got a Shark Skin and it cooks.Michael knows what he is doing, “pics or it didn’t happen” seems to show it, so if he is saying that Rio has their act together, then I would like to try it out.
We discussed this at length on my last trip, talking about the Sage lines and the end result was that the Rio line was getting there.
Back the marketing thing, we discussed this in a thread about Loops marketing and advert, its kind of overwhelms us with the info and the theory that we are changing as a community. Are we fishing in worse conditions because of the photos we see in the magazines, or is the kit allowing us to???
I think it is a bit of both, but the real question is, are the marketing people telling us that the kit is better, or are we out there figuring it out for ourselves?? I want to try everything, if only I could afford it…
Okay guys, here is my say….
The carp line is an absolute gimmick. According to Rioproducts.com, It is the EXACT SAME LINE AS THE RIO CLASSIC. The only difference may be the core. The core information is not in the catalog for the Classic.
Carp Taper
Classic Taper
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Mike M,
I am with you on the driving ingenuity thing, and to be honest Rio, Sage, TFO, Ross ect… are doing exactly what they are in the business of doing “SELLING GEAR!!!!!”
I also would love to try everything if I only had the cash!!! That is why personally I would like to see more side by side comparisons buy the magazine industry! Not sure how that works out when I am sure a lg portion of there income is advertising maybe that is why we dont see it all that often???
“So if it wasn’t called a Carp line, would they call it a Light Presentation Line, or Quiet tapper, or soft landing???? or the likes.” I think that is what I was trying to say!
Quiet is good, but for how we do it here, a fast loading line is primo. What a great job of ferreting out what looks like a gimmick! Shannon
From a business point of view, making fly lines is very capital intensive. Designing and setting up the big machines that do the work can cost a bunch. And with any new taper, the machines must at least be recalibrated if not redesigned and rebuilt. So the cost of the lines must cover the cost of R&D, design, manufacture, etc. Rio may be trying to recoup some of those costs with the line price.
Actually, it’s not capital intensive to design a new taper. 90% of the money/time would be spent fishing/tweaking the new taper.
Are you willing to move to outside Detroit to spend most of your day directing factory workers? What if you had to put in two years in BFE, Alabama, first? (Oh, and you’ll need to be quite smart, have an advanced degree in engineering, and be willing to work for an hourly wage with no benefits). If that sounds like a great job, boy have I got an opportunity for you!
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Zach
Are you willing to move to outside Detroit to spend most of your day directing factory workers? What if you had to put in two years in BFE, Alabama, first? (Oh, and you’ll need to be quite smart, have an advanced degree in engineering, and be willing to work for an hourly wage with no benefits). If that sounds like a great job, boy have I got an opportunity for you!
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Zach
Huh, sounds familiar.
As cool as it sounds, there isnt one guy who gets to try new lines all day. Most of the lines are made and shipped to reps, guides, and other fish-heads to try out and get Voice of Customer.
Back to the Rio carp line. I am sure it is sweet for carp and designed for carp fishing situations (warm water, delicate presentations…). But I would never spend 70 dollars for a carp line when my GPX, Magnum, Grand, Bass Taper, 40+, and Wind Cutter II do the same thing.
Not to pick on RIO, as I have seen this same thing in other manufacturers, but take a look at three lines marketed by RIO.
1. Clouser
2. Pike
3. BassThese three “specialty” lines profess to offer the angler the ability to do essentially the same thing, that is cast heavy flies. Their design is almost exactly the same. In the case of the clouser and the pike, they are identical, despite the fact that three fly fishing luminaries collaborated on the Clouser.
Hey guys –
Almost uniformly when speaking to people who know an absolute ton about lines, I was told that the majority of the casters out there will not see much difference from line to line.
I have been able to make casts into several inches of water to carp and not spook them.
Mike do you think this line really impacted your ability to catch carp? In my opinion, it seems like you’ve obviously done this more than most and have the skills to catch them, with or without this line.
In situations like shallow water, yes. I do feel that the certain skill set has to be there though as well. By no means is this line going to help improves one ability to catch a carp if they can not cast accurately. Accuracy is the name of the game here. If one can cast on target I feel that this line gives the angler an extra tool. I love the fact that the line is an olive green color, I have had many ocassions where I know the line color has spooked the fish.
As far as the comparison to the Rio Classic, the Carp line feels different to me, more supple. I have both lines in WF6F and casted them and notice a difference in the line. Also I will add that it is difficult to aerialize a lot of line with the Carp Line. I find that the Classic is much easier to cast.
Now as far as my choice of fly lines for fishing for carp, given all different situations, I will admit that the Carp line is not my top pick.
The Rio VersiTip gets my nod. If I’m fishing lakes, and small streams then it is the Carp line. Heck my go to line when I fish Lake Michigan for carp is a skagit line, where I can add sink tips.
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