So you think you know it all….
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The West’s Best Fly Fishing School
If you have ever thought, “Man, I would love the chance to learn on the water from that individual” after reading a book, watching a presentation, or a DVD now is your chance. With some of the top minds in fly fishing calling Colorado home, the first school of its kind is now available in July of 2009. The West’s Best Fly Fishing School , hosted by Landon Mayer and Angus Drummond, offers a one on one learning experience from the likes of some of the top anglers in the industry including John Barr, Ed Engle, Landon Mayer, Angus Drummond, Charlie Craven, and Clay and Sandy Roberts.This school will cover every opportunity for learning on and off the water, from casting instruction, presentations on and off the river with a new teacher every day, and topping the class off with a one on one fly tying course. The West’s Best Fly Fishing School will cover every aspect and detail the sport of fly fishing has to offer. The school will take place on the South Platte River in Colorado , Monday through Friday on the following dates:
July 6th through the 10th
July 13th through the 17th
Make your reservations today, as slots are available for only nine anglers per class at a price of $2,995.00. There are limited openings so that you can experience the one on one instruction from some of the best angler’s in their field in this all-inclusive school. There will be Q & A’s every day with every expert and opportunities to purchase products such as books and DVD’s. The following is a list of every instructor participating in this school.
John Barr- Is one of fly-fishing’s top fly designers. With imitation such as the “Copper John”, and more than 30 years of experience on the water shown in Books, DVD’s, Magazines, and presentations. John creates flies that have brought success to angler’s worlds wide for many years.
Ed Engle- Known for his teaching ability through words, and guiding on the water. Ed has supplied anglers with helpful instruction through Magazines, Books, Presentations, and on water instruction for more than twenty years. He has become one of the best writer’s in the sport of fly-fishing.
Landon Mayer- Has been guiding full time for more than a decade. Teaching others how to become better visual anglers. With the ability to teach others success in landing trophy trout and beyond. Through Magazines, Books, and DVD’s Landon offers a unique approach to tackling problems on and off the water.
Angus Drummond- As a full time guide and instructor, Angus supplies anglers with teaching that brings you success on some of the most pressured waters. With A great eye for the sport of fishing, and as a photographer he has captured some of the best images for Books and Magazines on and off the river.
Charlie Craven- Known as one of the best teachers on the vise displayed in Magazines, presentations, and Books. Charlie supplies fly tiers more than just the ability to create an imitation. His tips and techniques will make you a more effective tier for the next creation.
Clay Roberts- Is a certified casting instructor with the Federation of Fly Fishers. Through competitions, and teaching Clay has become one of the best instructors in the industry. His knowledge in casting will help you become a better angler on the river.
See attached file for more info!I would suppose it would depend on how much it costs. I wouldn’t mind fishing with Ed Engle, John Barr or Landon Mayer they all are much more accomplished than me and I’m sure I would learn something. I don’t know the rest of the guys but I would probably learn something from all of them. It would be interesting know what sort curriculum is going to be offered etc.
Recently received this via e-mail. Opinions?
I think you need a better spam filter.
So you object to mail from some of the industry’s superstars? Why is that — because you know it all?
As for your post, David, it costs about $3,000 for five days, as stated in the e-mail above.
First, let me say that these guys (and gal) are an all-star lineup of top Colorado anglers. They don’t get any better, as illlustrated by their numerous books, DVDs and television appearanced.
Yes, I know that Landon Mayer has been the object of vicious attacks from lesser-known guides who troll about on other boards. And he’s taken his lumps on this board as well — witness the guy who posted a year ago about the 8-pound brown Landon put him on. The nay-sayers went crazy and Zach ended up deleting the thread and picture. The poster quit the board and I can’t say I blame him.
Even Zach chimed in to say there were “valid questions” about Landon’s techiques. What questions, exactly? His flies too small? His leaders to wispy? His fish too big?
All that said, the price for this Angler All-Star Game is ridiculous. Three grand? Are you kdding me? I’d hire any one of them for a day at top rates, top it off with a C-note tip and steak dinner, if wanted. But three grand?
Fugghetiaboutit. Anybody with me on this?
if it is in one’s budget i think its a great idea.
people around here pay a lot for a casting lesson with lefty.one could probably learn more in those days with those guys than several years of DIY fly fishing
i have yet to read their books or watch their dvds, its on my list.
Recently received this via e-mail. Opinions?
I think you need a better spam filter.
All that said, the price for this Angler All-Star Game is ridiculous. Three grand? Are you kdding me? I’d hire any one of them for a day at top rates, top it off with a C-note tip and steak dinner, if wanted. But three grand?
Nice sales pitch.
So you object to mail from some of the industry’s superstars? Why is that — because you know it all?
Yes, personally, I object to unsolicited e-mail trying to sell me something, but if you don’t, or if it wasn’t unsolicited, that’s fine with me. Wasn’t trying to be offensive. Mostly it was a comment that the e-mail was just that–trying to sell you something.
I’m actually somewhat symphathetic to the efforts of the guys trying to make a living in the guiding/flyfishing business. I suspect the difference between making it and not can be finding ways to reach into all the corners and make a few bucks here and there–guiding, classes, articles, shows, appearances, etc. “Superstardom” is hard work.
I think the price tag on this thing is pretty hefty considering that you could book Mayer or Ed Engle as a guide for a full week of one-on-one for much less than the price of the class. But I think there are a lot of things in flyfishing that are overpriced just because there are those who want it and have the money. If you’re in that category and you like structured activities like that, then go for it. 🙂
So you object to mail from some of the industry’s superstars? Why is that — because you know it all?
Yes, personally, I object to unsolicited e-mail trying to sell me something, but if you don’t, or if it wasn’t unsolicited, that’s fine with me. Wasn’t trying to be offensive. Mostly it was a comment that the e-mail was just that–trying to sell you something.
I’m actually somewhat symphathetic to the efforts of the guys trying to make a living in the guiding/flyfishing business. I suspect the difference between making it and not can be finding ways to reach into all the corners and make a few bucks here and there–guiding, classes, articles, shows, appearances, etc. “Superstardom” is hard work.
I think the price tag on this thing is pretty hefty considering that you could book Mayer or Ed Engle as a guide for a full week of one-on-one for much less than the price of the class. But I think there are a lot of things in flyfishing that are overpriced just because there are those who want it and have the money. If you’re in that category and you like structured activities like that, then go for it. 🙂 Personally, I could do a lot more fishing with that amount of money.
Nice post, Trigg. I wasn’t trying to needle you, just didn’t understand your point. Yeah, I’m voluntarily on the mailing list so I enjoy being informed of this stuff.
This thing reminds me of an angling beauty contest. There’s just too much talent to make use of it all. Any one of them one-on-one for a week would be cheaper and just as educational, or maybe more so.
Makes me wonder if all of them didn’t get together during the fly fishing shows in Denver last January. After a few rounds of drinks, they said, “hey, what’s the most outrageous thing we could do to rip of the tweedy cane pole crowd?” And this is what they came up with.
Landon, especially, is hard charging when it comes to marketing himself. He’s probably the most amazing angler I’ve ever watched, and I’ve been at this for a half-century. He pushes the envelope but manages to make a nice living as a full-time angler. Most young guides, by my understanding, are taking a few summers off before joining the real world.
If I had that kind of money to throw at fishing I would probably head up to Yellowstone and get guided for a few days by Blue Ribbon Flies or one of the other outfitters.
I might make some sense if you were a Colorado Angler starting out and money wasn’t an issue.
Just because you are good at something dosen’t mean you can teacher either so it might be like a fantasy basketball camp, you just hang out and obsere and o wow he’s good!
I think Landon Mayer get a fair bit of flack because he is young and he has gained a lot of notoriety fast. I chalk it up to envy and professional jealousy. He and John Barr have done a really good job of marketing and it shows.
I think some of you guys need to read the forum’s rules on using your full name, so we all know who each other are.
Thanks Zach, I have also been watching this thread, it is interesting to see a few things that keep coming up.
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Despite my own better judgment, I will join the fray, given I was one of the guys involved in the previous discussion about Landon.
Nicely said Jay, I too do not like targeting spawning fish, since many of our indigenous species are so endangered that it is sacrilege.
I have also of South African guides / writers who have gone out to known spawning beds to catch a cover photo, not on.
I have a little live by saying, and I say it every time I am on the water… it not about the fish, it’s about the fishing…
I think some of you guys need to read the forum’s rules on using your full name, so we all know who each other are. Its only courteous to the other members who abide by those rules.
Thanks,
Regan
Abide by what rules? Either the board administer requires full identification or he doesn’t. Zach doesn’t. Some of us have legitimate reasons for posting anonymously. Here’s mine: A certain percentage of people recognize my name and immediately treat me differently. This happens repeatedly in the real world and I get sick of it. Here, I can be anonymous and be judged from what knowledge or opinions I bring to the board. No worrying about people toadying up to me because they think I’m some kind of celebrity. I hate that.
My intent with this thread was to create a good conversation. I live in the Colorado mountains and up here, we’re buried under another monster winter. That bodes well for next year’s fishing, but it leaves most of us with a severe case of the shack nasties. Except for limited tailwater fishing, trout season is shut down here. This same topic provided an excellent discussion on my local board, but I figured you guys are more white collar than that crowd and might see things differently. And in fact you did.
Finally, Zach, your paternalistic post provoked a horse laugh from me. What the hey do you mean you’re watching this thread carefully? What are you running here, a damn kindergarten? I’m probably older than your old man and I’ll be damned if you’re gonna talk to me like that, so I’ll roll up my tent and be out of here. I post here about once a month anyway, so it’s no big loss. Erase them all, if you wish.
I would have been happy to share my real identity with you via PM or e-mail, but I’ve got no reason to trust you now, nor not much reason to care.
To the rest of you, have a happy and prosperous 2009, and I wish you many tight lines. Tally ho.
Pablo-
I don’t think people here will much care who you are. Hope that doesn’t burst your bubble. We use our real names because it keeps things civil and personable (a kindergarten even) and prevents anonymous flame-outs. I don’t think you should be concerned that anyone will treat you differently if you reveal your name. (Unless you are, in fact, the reincarnation of Lee Wulff, then I’m sure you will receive a lot of questions). We’re all just fishermen here.
The policy of not going by a ‘net handle was certainly in place when i joined the forum. If you missed it when you signed up, I’m sure Zach can send a reminder.
Your cooperation will be appreciated!
Regan
Bump…
Have to agree. Even Lee Wulff would post here and be well respected. It will be easier for everyone to respond and give the respect. Give us a name or go away and hide (which is all you are presently doing – without gaining much respect).
I also received the email but it is out of my budget and I do not know how I was on the list. One of the great things about this sport is NO ONE knows it all and yes there are greats and I would call many of them masters but they too would tell us that they are humbled by the the fish and the stream on a daily basis.
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