Scott Rod users ?
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When you say “Sage are 100% American rods” – what does that mean?
Are you saying that every single rod that bears the name Sage is manufactured every step of the way in the good old United States of America – including the Flight and Vantage series? (and formerly the FLi series)
If you are…I believe that is misinformation.KBilcher –
I believe Morsie is correct that every rod with the Sage logo on it is manufactured in the U.S.
I sent an email to Sage themselves to get the real answer on this US vs. overseas question. Here is what they had to say:
“All of our rods are made in the same factory on Bainbridge Island from start to finish. We roll our own blanks from our own proprietary graphite from patterns that are cut by hand. From there, every rod is baked, finished and assembled by the same people… the same people make our Vantage to the TCX.”
There you have it, straight from the horse’s mouth. I have no affiliation with Sage, just wanted to set the record straight. As Clark said and now Sage has confirmed, they are indeed 100% American rods, start to finish.
That being said, I fully agree with Zach’s post above regarding the corporate structure and possible overseas sourcing of replacement parts putting the whole US vs. overseas debate solidly in the gray area.
Tim
Talk about jacking a thread.
Anyway. So back to the Scott rods, do any of you buy the Blanks from Scott then spin your own rods?
I sent an email to Sage themselves to get the real answer on this US vs. overseas question. Here is what they had to say:
“All of our rods are made in the same factory on Bainbridge Island from start to finish. We roll our own blanks from our own proprietary graphite from patterns that are cut by hand. From there, every rod is baked, finished and assembled by the same people… the same people make our Vantage to the TCX.”
There you have it, straight from the horse’s mouth. I have no affiliation with Sage, just wanted to set the record straight. As Clark said and now Sage has confirmed, they are indeed 100% American rods, start to finish.
Tim
Tim – Who was the source of the e-mail?
Talk about jacking a thread.
Anyway. So back to the Scott rods, do any of you buy the Blanks from Scott then spin your own rods?
Was this thread about Scott?
Guys, this is not a thread jacking – the point was made early on that Scott were the only company to still manufacture all their rods entirely in the US – this is just not true. Sometimes if you ignore a falsehood long enough and enough people repeat it often enough it becomes “the truth”.
KB, This kind of innuendo has been around for a few years. I have visited the Sage factory on Bainbridge Island and have seen the rods being made. I’m not so vain to think that they would crank up a production run of FLi rods just to fool a visiting journalist.
If you think the rods are being made in Asia and are then having a “Made in the USA” label put on them, you have a pretty good case for a substantial law suit – go for it…..Morsie’s correct: I was inaccurate in suggesting that Sage is not also an “All American rod company.”
John, Sage rod lines generally run for 5-6 years. In that time they develop new technologies which are introduced into the range through the subsequent generations. Changes are made when sales drop-off, usually at around the 5-6 year mark – that to me is just good business practise. Don’t you think it would be even crazier to continue producing a rod line where the sales had dropped right off – ie most people who are going to buy one have one (or two or three) ;).
I stand to be corrected but I think you’ll find that not only is Don Green, (the founder of Sage), considered to be the ‘father’ of the modern graphite fly rod, but he is also considered to be the ‘father’ of the modern tubular fiberglass rod. There’s some pretty serious fly fishing history right there.
Morsie
I have no loyalty to rod companies, I own Winstons, Sage, Scott, TFO, St. Croix, Loop, etc..I used to be a BIG sage guy. (RPL and LL years).
Scott made the G for 25 years, realtively unchanged until the G2.
Dave…I completely agree with you on the LL.
Why Sage ever dropped the LL series is beyond me. The graphite II LightLine series were some of the best dry fly rods ever made. Argue with me if ya will, but the ZXLs, TXLs and whatever their said “equivalents” are, don’t match the LL’s in my opinion. I’m old I guess.
I agree, the models that replaced the LL never really came close. Looks like they ‘lost’ touch with a nice medium action that the LL had. The TXL feels like a little steel rod. So fast & ‘tight’. Like it’s gonna explode anytime. 😀
As far as Scott innovation goes, I think that it was mentioned here that they have a custom shop, although it costs you, it is a way to get in touch with your customers. They also have announced that they are expanding their glass line into more rods. You don’t have to be stuck in the past, a glass snob or old school to appreciate their glass offerings. Glass still is a fantastic material for fly rods and in many instances can be superior. That’s a whole nother debate in its own right, and a REAL hijack of this discussion.
I wonder if Scott had the same financial resources as Sage, would they not go the same way as Sage (every 2 years a new rod series, new reels, new sweaters, etc.)?
Just for the record, Scott no longer supply blanks – so any blanks you see for sale on the net are old stock. Custom made Scott rods are available through their Factory Custom Shop, and bear a full factory backed warranty.
If you have an old favorite Scott rod, keep in touch with your dealer or web site, as they release ‘classics’ every year. Last year it was a couple of 5 piece G’s, before that a re-run of the STS series. As far as I know, no other rod manufacturer serves up favorites from yester-year like this.
Best Regards,
Beechy
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