ill recreate thursdays scenario that prompted this question… its a spring creek, the missouri, below a dam, big river. aprox 3500 cuftsec.. water.tennp.about 34-35 degrees.. in the still water or slack water if you call it there are number 22 black midges.. and thats about it.. water is crystal clear, sky is bright grey mid day.. when i found the right fly for me, it was flourencent orange number 8 maribou black conehead streamer which changed to olive over yellow streamer when the light dropped from the sun going over the canyon walls.. the first two fish i cought were 4 1/4 pounds by scale then about three and three and a half..20-23.1/2″……. eight bites total, four fish landed.. i cought all the fish stripping very slow in the riffles.with.sink.tip…. where i useally do well in the seam above a creek i could not catch anything.. probably mostly due to the fact that i started in.the.seann. and didnt use the right color for that time of day.at.first….. and maybe should have put black midge below the streanner.. fish almost never rise in this part of the river below the dam for some reason but i like big fish, and i would rather catch a four pound rainbow below surface than a two pound one with dry…. next question,, how do you like to fish the seam as you seem to be agreeing that it is very productive?.. dave………sorry.nny.nn.and.space.bar.is.giving.nne.fits. >:(……