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  • #7602
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
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    I have a problem.

    Theres a publication thats as interested in seeing my work (they’ve seen whats online) I’m very interested in contributing to them. Long story short they contacted me out of the blue enquiring about some specific images and also requesting some more sample work. They did so, shortly after I sent them an introductory cd ( cold call ) and before it had arrived, which they now have. Weird how the world works sometimes.

    Anyways
    Problem is they are exclusively on Mac, where-as Im windows based.

    Is there a simple, easy, cheap way for me to burn raw +jpeps ( they want both) from Vista to a CD that would then be readable by Macs?

    #63721
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    John:

    1) Insert CD in drive.

    2) Select appropriate files.

    3) Choose “Burn CD”

    4) Remove burned CD, place in envelope, mail to Mac User.

    They’re all the same file formats, bro.  A Mac can read a CD burned by Windows and vice versa, no problem.

    ;D

    Zach

    PS: Just as a note, if you are packing very many files on there, it would be better to go with a DVD.

    #63722
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
    Member

    Hi Zach and thanks.
    Thats what I thought to but like many things Vista may not be the case. I’m beginning to really hate Vista what with permission problems and all

    The CD I sent is unreadable due to Windows/Mac formating conflict.

    In checking Microsoft Vista Help the only thing I can find is this.

    Bascially Vista introduced a new formatting system called Live File System”. It’s only compatible with other Windows XP and later. Depnding on the version of LFS used ( from 1.02 to 2.05) it may not even be compatible with older windows vista OSs.

    There is a “formatting” option called “Mastered”.

    Bascially rather than use default LFS, change to “Mastered” when formatting the CD that they say under the help section.

    To
    Burn music or pictures and use the disc in any computer, including versions of Windows earlier than Windows XP, or ordinary CD or DVD players that can play MP3s and digital pictures
    Disc: CD-R, DVD-R, or DVD+R.

    Use
    Format: Mastered

    But before trying that I want to be sure. I really dont feel like sending yet another unreadable CD. Really wish that read…..to use in any computer including Apples…….

    I’m not sending too many. Just 50 to start ( so thats 50 RAWs and 50 jpegs). It fits on 1 CD.

    ?edit add
    Just for reference and incase someone whos more tech savvy ( Im kind of illiterate 🙂 ) heres the actual Vista link that speaks to formatting blank disks. Its the only solution I can think of as to why its not readable unless theres something else.

    http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2af64e60-60aa-4d79-ab6c-3a5db5806cbe1033.mspx

    #63723
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    John –

    Sorry man; I didn’t realize Microsoft had really grown that stupid.

    #63724
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
    Member

    Not too worry.
    When they told me they received it yesterday but it was unreadable due to a conflict I was confused. Burning CDs is just something I took for granted. Plug and Play and all that 🙂

    Nor do I want to simply assume it has something to do with LFS, I mean it could just be a bad disk…..But in reading that help system I think Ive created more doubts than resolved. Thought maybe Id check here if theres something Im not aware of.

    Re Mac.
    When I bought my new box in Sept I strongly considered a Mac, but work insisted it be a Windows Box….sigh

    Now, 9 months later I hate Vista.
    I have a few problems with CS3 due to permissions, they are small and more annoynaces, than critical, but still…

    If the opportuity (or cash

    #63725
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
    Member

    Add another black eye to Windows Vista.

    The AD just called me to talk about possible work arounds for future reference ( CDs yet to be sent ). The CD I had sent them they have been able to retreive and read the files by having their IT dept, upload to the server and do what ever it is tech guys do.

    So the good news is, its not the CD or human error

    The bad news is, unless a solution is found ( im praying its the “Mastered” format ) and we going to test that with just a couple images next week, I doubt the AD will want to have to hand any CDs I send over to the IT first, before being able to view images.

    #63726

    John your post is interesting to me as well, because I just emailed some jpeg files, for initial review, to be featured in an upcoming visual arts gallery at our church.

    #63727
    anonymous
    Member

    John:

    The Live File option is just a way for Windows to hold the CD open so you can rewrite and delete files on the CD later.

    When you select Mastered, you are closing the disk so it cannot be written over or files deleted. Always, select this option when you are burning a disk to send to someone else using a different computer.

    Sortof like the old cassettes where you pop out the rewrite tab to prevent accidental erasure.

    Burn a test disk and send it to one of you friends with a Mac to see if it works.

    #63728
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
    Member

    Thanks Scott.

    From reading the help site I’ve learned that.
    LFS allows for multipe files to be “burned” over time
    Mastered: One shot batch.

    I kind of suspect
    LFS: looks like only Vista systems can read, and XP can read with an older version of LFS.

    Mastered: should be readable by all….including macs?

    is that how you read it or know it to be? Just to be clear.

    J

    #63729
    anonymous
    Member

    I believe so, John, but apparently “closed” is not synonymous with “mastered” as I said in the previous post.

    From the “Burn CD” help FAQ
    “Mastered discs do not need to be closed; they are automatically compatible with other computers, so you will never see an option to close a session that you have made with the Mastered format. If you are burning a Live File System disc, however, you will need to close the current session to be able to use the disc in another computer or player (by default, Windows does this automatically when you eject the disc). “

    #63730
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    Oh, this is older technology.  Most operating systems are simply set to close a CD once burning is complete now.  Now I understand the problem.

    This isn’t necessarily Vista-specific; this is just how CD burners work.  Until they are full, they don’t write the archival or title date into the core of the disc image.  Without that data, only a very identical program can read the stuff you put on there.  That problem has been with us since the first CD burners.

    Zach

    #63731
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
    Member

    So could it be a hardware fault then?

    According to the LFS stuff, and I know this from experience. When I push the button to “eject” the disk, it takes a minute as it finalises the CD/DvD.

    Once complete the tray slides out and the disk is accessible. As a habit I always pop it back it in and use “my computer” to ensure the files are there but its beginning to sound like something slipped between the cracks at this stage possibly.

    #63732
    Rich Kovars
    Member

    John your post is interesting to me as well, because I just emailed some jpeg files, for initial review, to be featured in an upcoming visual arts gallery at our church.  My contact wrote me back and said he couldn’t open the jpeg files I sent him.  He has a MAC and Photoshop CS3 8.0.  I have a PC and am running Windows XP.  I’ve never run into this problem before, but it sounds kindof similar to yours.  I’m not really sure what to do here either.

    Email is a whole other animal.

    #63733
    Rich Kovars
    Member

    So could it be a hardware fault then?

    According to the LFS stuff, and I know this from experience. When I push the button to “eject” the disk, it takes a minute as it finalises the CD/DvD.

    Once complete the tray slides out and the disk is accessible. As a habit I always pop it back it in and use “my computer” to ensure the files are there but its beginning to sound like something slipped between the cracks at this stage possibly.

    Vista LFS is Universal Disk Format (this is the format that allows you to keep a disc session open and keep writing files to it over many sessions).  Macs should be able to read this, but it might not be able to read all versions.

    Vista supports:
    Read & Write: 1.02, 1.50, 2.0x, 2.50
    Read Only: 2.60

    OS X supports many versions of UDF.  It could be that they are using an older version of OS X or have something installed that is screwing up the UDF support.  

    When you burn a mastered disc it will write an ISO disc.  Every computer will be able to read this.  

    #63734

    John,

    This doesn’t get to your immediate problem and is a bit off-topic, but a few months ago I was in the market to buy a new desktop. Vista was on all the floor models and there were a couple Macs out too.

    The first draw to the Mac was the exquisite monitor. I played with it and quickly found my way around. You may know that all the new Macs have Intel processors and the ability to run Windows. I heard from a friend that Adobe would give me a Mac version of Lightroom fer free, and the computer salesman told me I had 30-days to return the Mac, no questions asked. So I took the plunge.

    I sure wouldn’t turn back. Like they say, ‘it just works’.

    I’m happy to report I deleted the Windows partition and have been totally clean for two months now.

    #63735
    Avatar photoJohn Bennett
    Member

    Thanks all, between the replies here and more communication with the AD we’re going to try another small sampling of 6 images next week. I’m feeling alot better about it working provided I format the disk with ‘Mastered”. Will just need to pay attention when I insert the blank to find the option to select which method 🙂

    Ness, no worries.
    Lots of good imformation can come from threads that end up branch off. I dont worry about sidebars. Im pretty sure my next PC will be a Mac, worst case scenario if works still prickly about it, I keep the current one as well instead of passing it to one of the kids.

    J

    #63736
    Avatar photonone
    Member

    If you need a Windows environment, you can run either VMWare or Parallels in a window on your Mac set up side-by-side.

    It’s pretty fast too since current Macs all run on Intel CPUs.
    Do get additional memory. I added 2Gb extra on my iMac (24 inch).

    Jay

    #63737

    Ness, no worries.
    Lots of good imformation can come from threads that end up branch off. I dont worry about sidebars. Im pretty sure my next PC will be a Mac, worst case scenario if works still prickly about it, I keep the current one as well instead of passing it to one of the kids.

    J

    I jokingly told our IT guy I wanted to switch to a Mac here at work, and surprisingly he said he wouldn’t mind having a few around. Of course, that was idle chit chat – we’ll see when the time comes.

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