The 100 foot, not yard! cast.

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    Ok so I went out in the field today to see if I could hit 100 and I have a few questions as a result. My line is a simple 90′ WF Orvis Wonderline and my rod is a custom Dancraft SigV 5wt (fairly fast taper similar to a Sage XP)

    1. Does the rod length count?
    2. Where do I start to measure from?
    3. Does leader length count?
    4. Must I have a fly on the leader.
    5. Where the hell does that tailing loop come from at about 70′? I suspect I am starting my forward cast to soon since I am not used to waiting so long.
    7. My biggest problem I think is hurrying, and overpowering the backcast with alot of line out (shocking the rod). The line looks crazy at this point and you’re pretty much screwed from then on.

    One time I almost shot the backing out the end but it just wouldn’t quite make it. I think I’m hooked.

    #11310
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    Mike –

    If you were trying to hit 100 yards with a 90 foot line you might have been attempting the impossible.

    #11311
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    Mike –

    Sorry to do this to you buddy but maybe it will help.

    See where your hand is?  It is well forward of your shoulder, but held *high*.  This is creep at work; your hand is pushing forward rather than rotating down.  This pushes the butt of the rod in front of the tip so that the turnover doesn’t occur until too late in the cast to convey enough power to stack the lines over each other without the top falling down and tailing.

    Creep and punch cause tailing loops.  Start with shorter lengths of line and work up until you have the creeping problem setting in, then repair it there rather than trying to fix it at 100′.  If you creep at 65′, start at 65′ and work up.

    Zach

    #11312

    That picture is so last year ;D. I do see what you’re talking about however. I would go work on it but I’m afraid I wore myself out already. Plus my new outboard just arrived.

    #11313

    If my line is 90’, the leader is 9’, and the rod is 9’ that’s 108’ if I get the backing out the end of the rod right?? Or even if I get it to the first guide it’s close to 100. Why do you say it’s impossible?

    BTW roughly how much line do you carry for such a cast? I assume your shooting a bunch at the end, right?

    You coming down this weekend? I got a two day grass pass. Wife is going to Alabama….

    #11314
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    Mike – 100 yards.

    #11315

    Doooahh. Did I say yards… I meant feet. Man Dyslexicia si a curle deasie

    #11316

    There is a lot to be said for carrying 70’ of line. I would like to see it done properly. Are the loops nice and tight at this distance?

    Do you mark your line anywhere to help you know when to stop feeding and shoot?  
    My rod is great to about 65’ but beyond that it sorta peters out. A good friend who is an accomplished caster noticed the same thing when he tried to stretch it out. Not that I would ever actually fish anything longer then 65’ but it is fun trying to get it all the line off the rod.
    I did notice that I worked the lower ferrule loose after several attempts. This would be fatal to a thin walled rod like mine if not caught in time.

    I wonder what most competition casters prefer as far as spine placement on a rod, top or bottom. If it’s factory then I guess they don’t get much of a choice.

    What is the longest cast BTW?

    #11317
    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    There are people who can break 130′ with a #5.

    Mike to be honest with you I don’t think the rod makes much difference.

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