Knot Strength – Updated with Fly Rod & Reel Video

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    Allan Dozier
    Allan Dozier
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    Great article Zach, I will have to pick up one of those hair irons next time I’m in Target.

    I plan on living forever, so far so good.

    #53237

    Scott G.
    Member

    Zach,

    I tried your method of using the hair straightener on the back end of a SA GPX line. I seemed to float between two extremes: not getting the PVC hot enough to bond or getting it too hot and melting the coating away from the core. I may have been applying too much pressure in the latter case. Any tips?

    #53238

    Jon Conner
    Member

    The Castwell is the same as a sheet bend which was used for attaching two lines of different diameter, it is also essentially the same as a bowline. The only differences are what’s a tag and and what’s not.
    JC

    #53239

    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    Scott –

    You can do two things.

    #53240

    Scott G.
    Member

    Zach,

    Thanks for the tips. I’m going to see if I can find some of the heat shrink tubing. I have some old line that I can play around with this. I think I was overcooking the line.

    Scott

    #53241

    Scott G.
    Member

    I know this post is getting a bit older, but thought I would report back on some results. I couldn’t find any clear heat shrink tubing locally so I ordered some with a friend online. That was the ticket. I put the folded loop inside the tubing and use a lighter (from a distance) to shrink it up over the line. Then I used a hair straightener to melt the line inside and would roll it. The tubing provides a nice mold for the bonding and protects the line from overcooking. After I was done, I just cut the tubing off with some tying scissors.

    I figured out the other problem I was having was using an old hair straightener. It kept turning on and off and wasn’t providing the heat I needed. I switched to my wife’s Chi and the heating issues went away. My friend that I ordered the tubing with is getting a heat gun and we’re going to give that a try.

    #53242

    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    That’s great Scott.

    #53243

    Scott G.
    Member

    I don’t have a boga, but did put the scissors through the loop and pulled pretty hard against it. It held. The angled, cut end of the flyline where I started the weld did separate just a bit. I probably just didn’t melt this part well enough. It was just an old line that I was testing on so I left it alone, but if I had been doing it on a line I was using I would have put a little more tubing over it and re-welded it. It is quite surprising how well the loop holds.

    We ordered the heat shrink tubing through Amazon from https://www.ties4less.com/ties/index.asp.

    #53244

    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    Has anyone ever tested the strength of Al Caucci’s Krazy Glue splice? Supposedly, Al uses it for every type of fish, including tarpon.

    #53245
    Brian Greer
    Brian Greer
    Member

    The Castwell is the same as a sheet bend which was used for attaching two lines of different diameter, it is also essentially the same as a bowline. The only differences are what’s a tag and and what’s not.
    JC

    The castwell knot and the sheet bend are very similar but there is a difference.

    http://www.pechetruite.com/Noeuds/Albright-Castwell%20knots.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_bend

    #88634

    Zach Matthews
    The Itinerant Angler

    This came up recently in the context of Phil Monahan’s article on Midcurrent, and I wanted to bump this post back to the top.

    The moral of the story is that heat shrink tubing and a heat gun can form a welded loop stronger than any knot you can tie to a fly line.

    Zach

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    George F.
    George F.
    Member

    I was shocked. Flat out shocked, by lots of these results. Firstly, I have been using 20 lb. mono nail-knotted to the end of my fly line for years. I have never, ever broken a trout or any near-shore saltwater fish off at the nail knot. That just goes to show how much pull 10 lbs. actually is; in fact, that’s about where tarpon anglers set their drags.

    Zach- This is quite interesting because my “pound the banks with big flies rig” is a 7wt. I use a 3-5 foot leader that is always half 30 pound, half 15. Sometimes 20/10 or 25/10. Whenever I get hung up on a log, branch, etc and pull really hard the fail point was always the nail knot. Not the 10 or 15 pound test which always surprised me. I would prefer the leader broke, not the nail knot so it is easier to get going.

    Good tips all.

    George

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